The "Blue Pearl" Bindu
Note: The following is Part Two of an updated version of "Bubba Free John and Swami Muktananda: A Confrontation of Dharmas", originally published in The Dawn Horse magazine, Volume 2, Number 2 (1975). Links to further readings from the published Writings of Avatar Adi Da Samraj are also included following the article.
The dialogue between Avatar Adi Da and Swami Muktananda is printed below verbatim, with occasional commentary by the editors. There is no editing of the actual transcript — except to omit those portions of the transcript that deal with subjects unrelated to the four questions.
Avatar Adi Da Samraj: Is it not true that That Which is perceived through the agency of visions, lights, bindu, and nadi by the Yogis is Intuited without visualization or audition by the Jnanis as the Absolute, Pure, and Perfect Consciousness That Is Reality, and is not This Consciousness the same Perfect, Self-Luminous Reality of Which all things are the modification, and is not This Consciousness the same that the Yogis call Maha-Shakti?Swami Muktananda: I am in the habit of talking candidly, and you should not think that I am trying to hurt your feelings. If you wish to know the secrets of the scriptures, then your attitude must be appropriate.
What is true in the world? In a certain sense, everything is true. This chair is true, those books are true. Laughter is true, and so are ideas. The state of waking is true, and the state of sleep is true. But Supreme Truth is Realized only when there is nothing but Truth. That is a mark of knowledge.
The mystery of the Vedanta is very deep. Do you accept the duality between the seer and the seen?
Avatar Adi Da Samraj: In a conventional sense, the seer is just that, and in a conventional sense, the seen is just that. They are both just modifications of One Reality.
Swami Muktananda: Are the seer and the seen two different forms of one Reality, or are they the same Reality?
Avatar Adi Da Samraj: Conventionally speaking, they are two forms of the One Reality.
Swami Muktananda: No, they are the same. I will explain it to you. It is one thing to read from books, and another thing to Realize. I am the seer, and you are the seen. Also, you are the seer, and I am the seen. And both are one. The two are not different.
Avatar Adi Da Samraj: Yes, from the conventional sense, they are two. From the "Point of View" of Truth, they are one.
Swami Muktananda: The conventional point of view is the very ordinary point of view. There are two kinds of Vedantists. One talks on the basis of what he has read, and the other talks from direct experience.
The first question was addressed to an essential aspect of Swami Muktananda's Teaching: that the vision of the "blue pearl" bindu is itself the Truth, and only one who has had this vision has realized the Truth.
Avatar Adi Da's question states, by implication, that Realization is not restricted to the visionary experience of Yogis, and that Jnanis Realize Truth without any Yogic manifestation whatsoever.
The "Perfect Knowledge" Reality-Teachings
of His Divine Presence, Avatar Adi Da Samraj
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This book was conceived by Adi Da Samraj at the end of 2005. He was first moved to make His own rendering, or "interpretive translation", of a traditional Advaitic text, The Heart of the Ribhu Gita, in order to elucidate (and thereby honor) its full meaning.
Adi Da Samraj then did the same with other great teachings from the traditions of Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism. In each case, He brought the essence of the instruction to the fore, with elegance and Illumined understanding.
Texts whose meanings were only partially (or cryptically) expressed even in the original — let alone in translation — suddenly shone forth, like rough gems cut by an expert hand.
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Avatar Adi Da's questions were designed to point out the irreconcilable differences between His seventh stage Realization and traditional fifth stage Yogic Realization.