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Supplement to
The Gnosticon

The End of the Interview

Note: The following is Part Five of an updated version of "Bubba Free John and Swami Muktananda: A Confrontation of Dharmas", originally published in The Dawn Horse magazine, Volume 2, Number 2 (1975). Links to further readings from the published Writings of Avatar Adi Da Samraj are also included following the article.

By the end of the interview, it was clear to Avatar Adi Da that he had fulfilled his obligation to represent Himself intelligibly to Swami Muktananda, and that the nature of their relationship had changed. Swami Muktananda had communicated an understanding of Realization that was fundamentally different from the Realization expressed in Avatar Adi Da's questions.

Avatar Adi Da's fourth question was never asked, but, for the sake of completeness, it is included here:

If all of this is so, will you formally confirm and acknowledge Dhyanananda as a full disciple of Muktananda, that the path of the Siddhas has fulfilled itself in Dhyanananda, and that He is Teaching truly, freely, and independently in the Siddha of Truth, the Mahasiddha, and in the manner of the Siddhas. Even as Nityananda did this for Muktananda, will Muktananda do so for Dhyanananda?

Swami Muktananda's responses to the first three questions made it obvious that he would not be able to confirm and acknowledge Avatar Adi Da's Realization.

Therefore, after the first three questions had been presented, it was clear to Avatar Adi Da that what He had come to accomplish had been done. He knew that His former Guru had heard His Communication and thus would be able to comprehend something of the reasons and necessity for the change in their relationship.

The night before the interview, Professor Jain, the one who would act as interpreter, discussed the questions with Avatar Adi Da. He asked Avatar Adi Da: "What do you think Baba is going to do, give you a diploma?"

Avatar Adi Da laughed and said that Swami Muktananda would do nothing of the kind, and that, in fact, he would do nothing at all. Avatar Adi Da intended for the formal meeting and the written questions to be a formal demonstration of what had already become clear.

In a Talk recorded by Gerald Sheinfeld on August 5, 1973, two days before the meeting, Avatar Adi Da Samraj had Said:

There is nothing going on between us at this point. There is nothing more I have come to get.

There is no special function He can perform for Me psychologically or internally, no need for any of that. So all of that has come to an end, and there is just sort of a question between us.

These remarks clarify the mood and intention of Avatar Adi Da's questions.

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